heyas; i don't have the pliers, but i have rena's straight razor. i expect they are made the same way. the razor/pliers have two pieces. you can select one piece and hit the + to add it to the prop library. you need poser 4 and the patch, which will let you 'select subset.' then you can select more than one object to be saved in the prop file. the two pieces will be saved in one pp2 file, and be loaded as one prop (although both pieces will still be separate if you grab them). to make them 'posable,' first, turn the origins on, and then move them to the rotation point of the object. for the pliers, it would be at the point where the two pieces cross over. in the razor, the blade has the center at the end that fits into the handle. this will make it so when you rotate the prop piece, it will rotate naturally around its pivot point and appear to stay 'stuck' to its other half. i say appear, because you can still always grab it and drag it away from the other piece. you can, however, parent one half of the prop to the other. the razor blade is parented to the handle, for example, so when you grab the handle, the whole thing (all 2 pieces) move. note you can still grab the blade and drag it away from its parent. very annoying ;) now, the big trick is, you can't save a subset AND a smart prop (one with a parent) at the same time. why? i dunno. so here's what to do... load your posable prop pieces, assemble them together, and move the origins to where you want the center of rotation. (you might also set rotation limits, so somebody doesn't try to open your pliers sideways, say.) you should probably parent them before you try that maneuver, sometimes parenting causes odd things to happen with the centers. then select the base piece and save it to the prop library, being sure to 'select subset' and grab all the prop pieces. now they are all saved in one pp2. open the pp2 in john stallings cr2edit(or), or a txt editor. look for the line that says "parent UNIVERSE". change it to say "smartparent whatever" -- ie: smartparent handle. did that explain it all well enough?