max, thanks for the HDRI-for-poets level explanation! well, I am starting to catch on. Very fascinating. Since Poser is an app that does NOT have native or 'true' HDRI lighting, and leaving aside for the moment the option of rendering your poser scene and animation in an app that does, I wonder if the game is worth the candle. Several products already exist that fake GI, I've acquired two of them, and they do produce superior results under certain circumstances. For an animator, however, unless you are big-studio'ed up, it's far too costly in render time, of course. There is no free lunch. Since you can get HDRShop1 for free for non-comercial, and stewer's python script, I'll try it some time soon. ::::: Opera :::::