Ignorati is bastard latin, derived from ign. (ignotus) - unknown. It is used as a phrase to describe "Those who do not know". Hence, the phrase denoted "for those who do not know" and not "for those who are ignorant morons", which it looks like the phrase was interpreted as. Here's a short overview over getting fake HDRI into Poser Pro 4 thanks to Stefan's scripts: * Grab the old lightcrosses I have lying around here, bottom of page, they're in HDR format: http://spinner.northern-studios.com/freebies.htm * load HRDI shop * load any of the crosses * Go to Image > Panorama > * Set the left hand side to Verical Cross * Set the right hand side to mirrored ball * Uncheck bilinear interpolation * set the file size to be 128 x 128 (i've not ever had a prob at this res) * save the file as a non radiance file (jpg/bmp/whatever) inm order to avoid xDave's lightgen issue * open the saved file, leave default settings * run lightgen * play with parameters and click execute * Do as you please with file with funny dots, but make sure you have the saved .txt file * open poser * run Stefan's script - which will call the liightgen-generated .txt file * tweak Traveller has a big tut on this at RDNA. Shrek 2 had all HDR lights, as did a lot of The Incredibles and some of the recent car ads. Other cool places to take a look at are splutterfish and maybe the v-ray crowd. ~S