I second the bucket and get more RAM suggestions above. Sometimes my render will bail out half way done. I drop the bucket and....solved. And oh by the way, watch out for those high-poly vickies and mikes. XENOPHONZ, can you honestly say that Vue renders a scene faster by several orders of magnitude? One order of magnitude is 10x as fast. I assume this is an exaggeration. However, you are certainly saying it is faster. Are you confident you are comparing apples to apples? I am not attacking you, I just want the facts because I am considering Vue. Vue does not have the shaders, so you can't set up your Poser5 scene dependant on shaders. When you go out from Poser to Vue not everything moves over, I have heard. You can't tweak an animation in Vue once you get started, the morphs are not there (for instance, if half way into an animation you notice your character is only blinking one eye, you can't set keyframes. Is that true? This and just the fact of staying in one app, are my withholds, but I am attracted to that speed thing. Can you give an example of two scenes exactly the same and the render times in both programs? ::::: Opera :::::