well thank you all. I think it was you dougocd that told me to darked my pictures and not use so bright of colors. Thank you if it was you. It worked in this image you all talking about. and xenic101 you missed Dr. Jocko500 tread I thought it was good lol and draculaz posted this draculaz - decent work, the first place on the hot20 should definetely give you the impulse to better yourself :) nother wrong with that I like drac work and i know the person knows a lot more than me as most of you know more than me in Bryce. you all think I not learning and just cookie cutting. I learning a lot each time I get into bryce. It may not be fast I got a life to live and I into a lot of things too. Think back when you was in school. Your teacher teach you your mom and dad was teaching you. but if you did not want to learn no matter what they did you would not learn. At times you try real hard to get real good grades but you[I] would not get the grades. Then you learn on your own. I ask some one how to make snow but no help. I found out my self and made the snowman for New Years that one render for about 2 hours of render because of the diff color lights I put into it. I sent about 2 hours putting it together too. so it was 4 hours Yes it took 20 mintures to render "trick rider on ghost horse" but it took me 3 hours to put it together as you see it. I just like to thank every one. And do not jump to the ideal I not learning I just a little slow and what I learn I take out of the box and see what else I can do with it. I got nothing again any one. I learn as I go. Sorry I not fast learner and my art is not for evey one I know that. Have a good day and remember life is too short to get upset over something you say you donot care about like the hot20. Just do your best. That all I can do. and also be freindly and smile , some one may smile back.

what you see is not what you know; it in your face