I admit...might as well call it the Carrara/Infini-D forum (not that it saved a lot from Infini-D.) I figure most people with an old copy of Ray Dream will have moved on by now. Not even sure Eovia is still offering that upgrade. So, in short, I regretfully agree we might as well simplify the name of this forum. However, I find this sort of "let us be free of the dead weight of the past and shoot forward into the high speed future" an annoying attitude, usually espoused by people who think you can't possibly surf the net with less than a Pentium 4, or do graphics without a 42" monitor. I'd like to think we were more sensible than that around here. Perhaps, keeping that one mention of "Grandfather Dream" around keeps us humble...