I was not going to re-enter this thread, but have to agree with LSD's last comment. That is not to say I did or didn't agree with any of the rest, but that one comment of yours Jocko "Read the bible" Come on man you are old enough to realise just how many people you can offend offering that as a solution. Buddhism, Sikism, Hinduism, Judaism, Shinto, Jainism, Confucianism, Zoroastrianism, Wiccan, Paganism etc, etc. None of these would be amused by that statement. The bible means something to less than a quarter of the world's population.

The greatest part of wisdom is learning to develop  the ineffable genius of extracting the "neither here nor there" out of any situation...."