I'm beginning to think that perhaps I should attempt another method of creating this coded work. One of the fella's over @ the Meshcam group suggested I'd never see a nicely done coin of other such work as a full front on carving. And because of the depth it would be very difficult. I'll see my daughter at lunch today perhaps another photo or two is in order. Not giving up on this one though. Peace Neil Here are a couple of links, one to the meshcam group, and the other to my photo location for my machine. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/meshcam http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/thuffner3/album?.dir=c3dd&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos