I am an animator. I say, stay in Poser, learn every trick you can to get the most out of it, be lean mean and learn/make tools. With that kind of intensity, if you still outgrow it...that's a good problem to have. When you actually have it. About the shaders...if you learn them, you can make up for the limitations in poser lighting WITHOUT the render time hit. Sure, Vue and others have "GREAT LIGHTING" but there is no free lunch....just because they 'have' them does not mean they magically provide them with no penalty. If you are an animator, that must be a persuasive argument, I would bet. ::::: Opera :::::