Personally, I really like V3 Male. I've used him in at least three different incarnations for client work. He makes a fine elf (better than M3, IMHO) and this version is pretty sexy. So, hey, Jim, even if you don't ever put this into full production, I'd love a copy... wink nudge cahoot bonni

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