Aye, I started the scene simply as a background for my version of Rand from Poser. Then I figured, since I've seen a dozen or so takes on the Heart of the Stone, that I would model it better and cooler than any of the ones I'd seen so far. Lemonjim drove me to it, his last scene was very nice (the one he turned into a QTVR) Here's a quick shot from Rhino. In Rhino, you'd use "sweep1" to make a chain link. Takes seconds, really.