(laughs!) Aye, those were made with a torus and cylinder boolean combination. Too RAM intensive, for the amount of chains I need. I suppose I'm just too damn picky, on this scene. Robert Jordan may be the best writer, ever. I just want to do him justice! I've got my chain link from Rhino into Maya, now. Which is stupid. Maya and Rhino model almost identically, I should have just made it in Maya to start with. And I'm running the dynamics on both gravity and collision... should be done in a bit...