On a more practical note though, Jim, you might just want to think of the Poser manual as a 'reference manual' (I think that's what they call it anyway) and not a 'users guide'. You'd probably learn the program faster by reading as many of geeps tuts as you can and going to the the manual when all else fails. It does have some good info, but it's a lousy road map for a newcomer to Poser.