*"P4 was a bugfest on release too, IIRC."

*My point exactly. You can only screw people over just so many times before they won't take it anymore.

"If 'everyone' kept their money in their pocket, that -would- be the finish of CL"

You're suggesting that they don't deserve to be finished? Because me, I'm not quite sure yet. If they can't deliver the goods right out of the gate this time, I think they're done regardless. No sympathy here. You only get one reputation, and if you ruin it like CL has, you pay the price.