once again i challenge that vue is faster than Poser, apples to apples. ((That is, aside from dual processor. If you have dual processor...okay, Vue wins)) If you add the proper raytrace and other elements into Vue to make the results equal to Poser with Depth Map Shadows or Ray-Trace, and get the shaders the same, I am not so sure Vue really IS faster. Most people just say it is faster, but they don't turn on ray trace or anything in Vue, I suspect. Someone who REALLY knows how to compare apples to apples in this, set me straight, please. And also, then, I would like to know WHY it is faster if it truely is. Firefly is no amateur render engine. ::::: Opera :::::