Teriffic Max, it feels like real day in real light. (Now when will you be uploading the real girl and how much bandwidth to download her?) Well maxx this has me interested because at 4 mintues per frame it is inside my daylight animation budget. Throw a second character in there, maybe 5 minutes, but I don't use Mil/Daz so back down to 4 min, I bet. Hope you will walk me through this, slowly, a little... I believe I need. HDRShop (free 1.0 for non-commercial) lightgen plugin (what is it and how much?) stewar's script (free, thanks stewar) Anything else? ::::: Opera :::::