Bingo, Xeno. While complaints about the creepy circumstances of the Poser 5 release were very legitimate at the time, since the advent of SR4 and the lowering of P5's price, it's currently an amazing proggie and value despite what legacy bugs remain. You can't fault people who bought P5 at release time at full price for feeling burned, but much of the current complaining comes across as either underinformed or just ... I don't know ... pointless negativity addiction? By this time, I think legitimate complaints about P5 have been sufficiently aired, if not over-aired to the extent that sometimes prompts the posting of images of the whipping of deceased equestrian beasts. I trust the current CL gang to have learned from the errors of the P5 release and subsequent loss of faith in the user community. I could be wrong, but maybe it says something about the excess of negativity in this forum that CL is granting interviews to RDNA and Plant-it 3D. That's just a speculation, but Xenophonz' cynicism regarding the nature of the negativity rings true for me. For every "I can't wait" message, there seem to be two that register disdain or demands particular to the complainer's preferred features well in advance of an advertised feature set or any substantial release campaign at all. No matter how stable or cool P6 turns out to be, the complaint department will be doing business as usual. If the app is released prematurely or doesn't work as advertised, by all means, let's talk frankly. Before the release or any actual pre-release campaign, though, I'm with the "innocent until proven guilty" corner. IMO the Shade 7 release was a class act, as is the app itself and its accompanying tutorials and manual. I'd like to believe that portends well for Poser 6. :-) Oh, and yeah ... that was really funny, Stewer. :-)