i found a morph that supposedly attacks the 'inward bowing upper arm and wierd shoulders" but have not tried it. If I understand it, the Mil. "pinched drinking straw" problem is caused because the logic to produce upwards or sideways displacement (bulging) of flesh/mesh when two body parts press against each other (as in what happens when the arm folds at the elbow)is not part of the algorithms of Poser and the Daz character behavior. So, the default position of the unfolded arm is an 'inside of elbow' that is already deformated out as it would/will be when the arm folds up. When I was trying to live with Vickie, I searched many forums for a solution, did not find. Let me see if I can locate that other freebie fix... ::::: Opera :::::