Hey this is kinda off topic here, but since we're talking about functions, I discovered a neat trick to using the "Rough" bump function on glass materials. I was building a chandelier, and I couldn't get the glass to look right, so off I was, function-bound. I'm waiting for the picture to render right now, and it looks as though it's gonna take a while, because it's got point lights and and reflections and ambience galore all over it (I'd have tried to make that sound more 'artsy-worthy', but I don't know any French...). I'm gonna put this .vob in the Vue free stuff when I'm done with it. Well, it just doesn't look right if I don't have something to give away, now does it? BTW, If I'm using my own materials for this thing which are all alterations of Vue 3 materials, I won't need to include them with the model, will I? Cheers, Mike