I don't know about THAT, Pog, but I'll take your word for it... My problem with Wingz wasn't it's potential, but it's UI. For the same reason, I moved from Lightwave to Maya. I love both, but can THINK better inside of Maya. I still have yet to finish an image with it that would compare to my Bryce work, though... SO, I stick with Rhino. I really flow with it. Other modelers have frustrated me to no end. Z-brush, Amapi, Truespace, Wings, Blender... I've tried them all, but Rhino just works for me!