oh and just for my advice to you as a beginner: you should go to DAZ signup and download their free V3 & M3 figure bases for starters. Just signup, it's free and click on each figure's link at the top of their page and just click paypal for the free downloads to use with Poser5. You can't make Poser models from those other programs, you're best bet is to simply learn from them. You can make models from 3D Max but not real Poser figures. Learn the programs first, experiment. If it was that easy to make a 3D character figure then everybody would be doing it and putting Poser figures out of business. all you get are the 'scrapes' from what people make on here, not a complete figure you can only get that from Daz Studio. cheers.