(POST 52) lol, no, really "LOL"! - you really haven't grasped this yet, have you. There is a difference between a "creative solution" and "innovation.... (POST 54) "I'm simply not taking pro-render, your definition of being inventive or your "marketing" seriously." -'raz, you already have. If you find not being prepared to see pro-render as having anything new, not being prepared to see your pro-render renders as anything more special then the average TA experiment and not being prepared to pay a single penny for pro-render if (I'm not even willing to take the risk of using the word "when") it will ever come out to be "taking you seriously". Then, yes, I already have. And yes, in the beginning, I did. But the more I have to wait to see something truely new and the more I hear your thoughts about the whole thing, the more I feel you're either living in a self-sustaining illusion or you're a hoax. Either way, I do not find this to be any development worth getting my hopes up for. -- Ray (happy to wipe my ass with the PRO-RENDER Manual)

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