maxxxmodelz, my first commercial 3d app was also dream 3d. even final version of ray dream had no major differences from dream3d that came with coreldraw suite version 6. my very first 3d app goes farther back than that. writing hex coded files to create 3d images on an old xt, at , and apple II c used to piss off our computer science teacher, sit down and type hex from our heads to create graphics, and games. blew the network server trying to keep up with us.