Oh wow, poser 2, corel draw and bryce...and it took weeks...days and days of staring at the screen and wondering why I was trying to figure it all out...wow and the computers were sloooooow....graphic boards all that stuff you had to learn about only to find out that those figures feet did not move off the floor and the clothes flew off .....I agree with Phil...one had to be very stubborn to make it through the bonding process.....but with encouragement...here we all are...