I would guess, after discussion among the Mods, the first one would be pulled under some protest. Licking the finger takes it into a new area of imagination. Not worth the aggravation. The second is OK. It is a very difficult job trying to draw the line when it largely comes down to opinions from folks with different values, cultures, and imaginations. [I,m NOT going to delete #1 from this thread, BTW, as I think we are having a good, civil, discussion.] The best we can do is encourage our excellent photographers, like gwfa and Donald, to post their best work. It sets the standard for everyone else.