I agree, and disagree. Bryce 5 is so cheap, it might as well be free. Selling tutorials and materials for Bryce is just ridiculous, with the obvious exceptions of "Real World Bryce" and things of that nature. Books take a long time to make. I feel that any procedural materials should be free, period. Nobody except the programmers had anything to do with the DTE, which we're lucky we even have. You can't CREATE new materials from scratch, you can mereley tweak them. Models? Objects? Now there is serious work involved, and creativity in the extreme is possible. So paying for something that is actually CREATED is, to me, ethical. But like Drac's getting at, if you sel someone a product that can be found for free ALL over, and if you want to bottom-feed and milk the stupid or internet-challenged, then you lack ethics. Just how I feel.