Thank you Shiollie :) I'm aware of that. Sorry if I did not expressed myself clearly. What I meant was, whoever comes off with the converter utility, hopefully converting Vue 4 terrain into obj or other format be included too. Marque..not sure how you did that thru out of Vue 4 or with other 3rd party conversion utulity beside hearing that Vue Pro can do it...but does that include the texture in .mtl as for objor perhaps if its 3ds, does the texture comes with it to be imported into other 3d program? I aware of Okino Polytrans an Right Hemisphere Deep Explorer and I believe they do not do Vue vob stuff. It would kind of you to let us know how you did that Vue tree conversion though...if its a trade secret, I'll understand :) Thanks.