Thanks for your offer to help...appreciate that. "..in Vue that you wanted to export to obj"..no not now but I'll take that up someday if I still don't own Vue 4 Pro and the need to do so. I'm waiting for all the upgrade to settle down...looks like it never stop and I dislike having to install program each time they asked for your previous "upgrade from" serial number. If I decide to buy Vue 5 or "infinite"..whatever, I rather buy completely new than to side grade or upgrade. Just me I guess as I'm bad at keeping disc and serial number...can't seem to find them when you need them..LOL! Thanks again.