ohhhh man. i wish it was there when i was looking for it last year. just my luck:-( but i did find something by transpond that worked okay. i'm off to get them now. both! thank you!!! on the outside there was palapas and i desperatley needed a prop so i could explain to the building and heatlh code people what i was planning to do. i could not believe they did not know what i was talking about. but then i found out allot people didnt. anyway, if you know where there is more of these type items, let me know! please.