u give great information. very interesting, donald. i will try converting to b/w and then do toning. see what happens. i have made some nude shots of a friend. she wanted to pose. she was being silly. me too. i pretended i was famous photographer...and she pretended to be famous model. it was funny. well, these shots were taken indoors. nothing glamourous like at national park. but some were natural. i think i didn't do too bad. she would never let me show though. good for practice, however. i'll try that technique on those images sometime...show my friend...maybe she'll like. thanks again donald!!!