"I convert from the very start from Raw in B&W. I use Phase One's CaptureOne DSLR to convert my Raw images over for use. C1 DSLR is a color managed application" I see we are going to need a VERY detailed tutorial... "Raw in B&W"? Does that mean you threw away the Raw color? 8-( Or, is "Raw Color" a Null Concept? "Phase One"??? Last time I tried using any color management other than sRGB, 'chelle whined that there was no contrast or saturation... So you really kept the camera running while Ellie prepared? No wonder she glares at you in some frames! Bad Donald! Bad! "Fellow User" rocks. Encourage to join Forum. [All things considered, excellent job, Donald. You are really mastering this; in technical expertise and aesthetics.]