Opera: These renders would crash Poser completely. Force quitting the application would take longer than usual. Poser was off in some dark, rendering 9th dimension... Jeff: Discouraging words, but at least it's not that I'm just doing something stupid or wrong... I was already thinking that I might have to render these scenes in parts and getto-composite it together in Photoshop. But I guess if you were trying to get objects reflecting off of each other then this wouldn't solve anything for you.