Og to answer a previous question, about are we sure it isn't just taking a long time? I'm as sure as I reasonably can be. When it takes 5 mins to render two identical objects, adding a third identical shouldn't make it jump to an hour should it? Adding tons and tons of lights I could see an exponential jump in render time, and often do. And FYI, the two cars rendered fine after upping the page file size to 2gig. But adding the third one it looks like it's hanging again, at Adding Objects... It's been stuck at 276,796k Mem usage, and 1,092,180 VM size for 5 mins now, the render should have been done 5 mins ago. The CPU is still maxed out, and the machine isn't stalled, so I'll let it sit and let you know. That's with three of the Hankster Vankwishes at 446k polys each.