cool. makes sense. All the more reason I am glad to have my dual raptors roaring away here next to my desk! Reading the above comments, I will definitely contribute the fact that sometimes I just KNOW things are not released from some extreme test render I did (because the next, simpler, one does not revert all the way back to expected time, and I bail all the way out and come back in. I do this before any important all-night animation render as a SOP. ::::: Opera :::::