Let me correct a mis statement. Rendering an avi will render the texture setting currently displayed so if show texture is on you will get some texture. This is not the same as rendering the pic by going into the properties window and unchecking everything but antialias and rendering the pic. It is the same, however, as antialiasing the document and pasting it to the background. When you paste a pic this way or render it as an avi bump maps, reflect maps, and transmaps do not really have any effect. Basically what you see is what you get. Rob