Oh you mean Post #17...hehe. That is a flaw example. I had the character and hair scaled up 1000% Then have all lights listed (4 infinites), One light ontop, one in front, one left side, one right side. Then all Raytrace shadow (you could change color of a shadow I guess. Never tried it yet). The Bias to 0.000 All lights 111, Map Size 256, Shadow 0.5 And way you go to render. Hey never thought of the technique how valuable it could be. Should change eyes to electronic. :-)