Ghost effects did an incredible job with poser I love it...but, if you want to talk 3d lets look at this, poser would be perfect if: 1 it used ray tracing as an option 2 mesh could be edited directly 3 improved mapping (like Live video) basicly a combination of truespace 4 and poser would be incredible with mimic thrown in for audio..... these are some things I have yet to see, except through other plugins and they are soooo important... knight