Sure it would be nice to have raytracing and directly editable meshes but that was not what made Poser, POSER. Poser is what it is because it can render really nice scenes with shadows, faster than current 3d object creation/Animation progs. Or, at least it WAS faster. I don't want direct mesh editing as that will drive the cost of the software up and I already own a 3D editing prog. JanP