Hey try Vue4, the download is about $70; L40... Poser is complimented, Build Environs in Vue input Poser Character... Vue5 Infinite will give you a good pro platform. Bryce ? If you look at the gallery you will see that Vue is not the most used prog, yet but the quality and ease to work with are great. I came back to graphics and was suprized at the ease of VUE R My two cents