Ziggie, There ain't nooooooo way in hell you're going to get me trying one of those things! Barf bucket, pee pail, and water basin ALL out of reach? Nope! No-sireee! No candooodo's! My Poser people may give me fits, but none of them deserve that. :shudder: All you need is the nurse with the chilled rectal thermometer to make the torture chamber complete. Oh, and a clock saying 4 am. Carolly