Jabe, unfortunately Vicki and all of her "sisters" take an advanced skill level to work with it seems, and practise is what makes perfect. Even with the various newly morphed characters of Vicki, such as the free ones, all of Handspans, Jim Burton's wonderful Supermodel Vicki, my own Saluda, if you do not know how to work with Vicki, you will be just as disappointed in these. Working with Vicki was a cinch for some of us I guess, since Vicki used approximately the same joint and pose setup as Eve did, and we were happily working with Eve. I will tell you though, when I first got my hands on Eve I almost gave up, and then the same with Vicki. I felt as if I had taken the wrong pill and fallen through Alice's rabbit hole. Practise practise... read all the posts you can on Vicki, go through here and use the search feature to search for the word Vicki, get in touch with the creators of your products and ask them how to get good results. And so on :) As Saluda's creator I am curious what you found disappointing in her, and encourage you to send me email at mehndi_studios@hotmail.com since my customers happiness and satisfaction not only matters on current products, but influences how I develop the next.