(smiles) Aye, but Rhinoceros is second nature to me. I need the practice, as well... And Rhino is quite amazing, I learn something new every time I'm there! I'm not really interested in the easy way out, most of the time it's not really a way out at all. I've tried Bantam Grass and stuff, but got nowhere in it. Rhino, on the other hand, can model nearly anything...