No matter what position the helmet is to the base OBJ, if the conforming function is used it flips upside down to the floor. If you look at the conforming curls in Poser4 the CR2 contains an extra conforming command and very unusual JPs. They really had to work hard to get that to conform. Phil, are you saying that you have been able to get head objects to conform under the conforming function? If so, please let us in on your secrets ;-) -JH.