"Which one gives the price, please? (the price you're unwilling to pay)." "I may not have calculated the upgrade price, What," Exactly. You don't know the price for the upgrade (although you do know a price for the full product as quoted in a catalogue which erroneously listed it. So that price is PROBABLY right for that product to that audience). "I never said, "there no room for them to make useability improvements to existing features as well as bug fixes?"" No, you said: "No way I'll pay that price for a bug fix." Without knowing the price or, it now seems, whether there's more than bug fixes in it. I'm trying to understand your position here. I'm a pedant - I can only get the information I'm given and work from that, so everything I say is base don what I read. I remember the first release of Poser 5 - I'm pretty sur eI had one of the first in the country, which means I got stung on the price as well as getting a far too early for release version. I don't think CL need a "well done" pat on the back at this point, and it's a little late to be suggesting features for Poser 6. that time wa probably when they were requesting user feedback on what we'd like to see in Poser 6. However, I don't think it's QUITE the time to string them up based on pricing we don't know for a specification we don't know. Just my two penneth - I can EASILY understand anyone not wanting to upgrade "at any price" based on the Poser 5 release/fix schedule, and I can EASILY understand anyone who loves Poser 5 (like I do now it works) looking hopefully towards "even better" with Poser 6. I just couldn't understand reasoning based on facts that we don't have. Sorry :( Cheers, Cliff