Q/why are there warnings on some thums about Violence A/ so those that dont want to see it, dont go there so why show a thumnail of a head with an axe in it, well done

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Could have been worse.

Could have been a head with two axes in it.

Odd really, you can choose not to see nudity in the galleries (you don't even see the thumbnails), but you can't shut out the violence. Just another charming example of the eccentric Renderosity interface. :)

Mainly for nudity & explicit poses or artwork. :)

Odd really, you can choose not to see nudity in the galleries (you don't even see the thumbnails), but you can't shut out the violence. Just another charming example of the eccentric Renderosity interface. :)

Hey that's not just Renderosity though is it?

It's a state of mind that seems bizarre to me but, a movie with only a few murders, not done to graphically, is suitable for 12 year olds. A movie that shows nudity, not any graphic sex, is only suitable for 18 plus.

What would I rather my kids had, a good sex life or good career in violent crime... the censors (world wide) don't appear to agree with me.

movie with only a few murders, not done to graphically, is suitable for 12 year olds. A movie that shows nudity, not any graphic sex, is only suitable for 18 plus. What? Would you prefer to watch slasher movies where the teenagers all die of natural causes but their nipples are shown? Just wondering.

Nobody ever got pregnant from a knife in the back I guess is the thinking.

And if nobody ever got pregnant where would we be? Reminds me of a true story of a man who owned a string of Ford dealerships and who mounted a community campaign to remove a book by a certain author (Gore Vidal was it?) Somebody pointed out to the auto-dealer/censor that a lot more teenage girls got pregnant in the backseats of Fords than in libraries.

Don't make love, make WAR!

Checking the "nudity" and the "violence" flags pretty much guarantees a lot more hits on an image. Often, when the two appear in combination.

"the censors (world wide) don't appear to agree with me." I've heard that some places (in Scandinavia I believe) are quite concerned with children being exposed to violence and censor things like violent cartoons and are perhaps less concerned with the danger of kiddies seeing an errant nipple. The opposite attitude, while perhaps not uniquely American, is certainly prevalent here. Now of course, certain conservative Christian moral guardians have informed us that cartoon characters are actually shock troops in the culture wars, promoting a radical homosexual agenda to our children, perhaps the 'toons will probably be banned in the new, Godly America. Walt Disney is probably spinning in his grave. Then again, since Disney provides benefits to partners of gay and lesbian employees, they were probably part of the enemy all along.

Walt Disney is probably spinning in his grave

Among other things, Disney was a closet virulent anti-semite. He hated Jews with a passion.

Kind of like Henry Ford giving $10,000,000 to the Nazi party. Back when $10 mil. was an awful lot of money.

And Charles Lindberg supporting the Nazis -- making speeches for them. Being repeatedly wined & dined by them.

As for Sponge Bob -- I would say that he's asexual.

The rabbit is a different story.

Errant nipples, gay toons, uncensored Disney's faeries!!!, the work of the devil is present here, we shall burn this forum!

True. A number of folks were enamored with National Socialism before the war, just as many saw socialism/Communism as a panacea. Anti-Semitism has deep roots here as elsewhere. The US could have taken in far more Jewish refugees from the holocaust but declined. FDR wasn't exactly pro Jewish either. Strangely the Christian right has become very pro Jewish of late, though I somehow suspect it has more to do with apocalyptic prophecy and Israel than newly discovered piety. Of course, I doubt that God suddenly decided in the latter part of this century to tell the Mormons that discriminating against Blacks was a no no. Call me cynical. SpongeBob's creator has certified him officially as asexual. Buster's definitely as male as an imaginary bunny can be. I suspect Mr. Ratburn is gay though. Dobson just hasn't outed him yet.

Walt Disney is probably spinning in his grave... I consider this unlikely since, as everyone knows, Walt was placed in cryogenic suspension and his body is in a secret area underneath Disneyland in Anaheim, where he awaits the legalization of human cloning. Of course, I guess he could still be spinning, but I doubt it. As I doubt that he would be opposed to axing SpongeBob, and he would probably favor the same fate or worse for the Aqua Teen Hunger Force. Death to Meatwad!!!

"Walt was placed in cryogenic suspension" Fact or legend? I somehow seem to remember hearing the same thing. If you've seen the superconducting demonstration where the levitate the magnet and spin it, you realize that Walt would be actually more likely to spin in cryo. In reality, they wanted to axe Disney before the Spongeman. It seems that a while back some of the same folks were upset that Princess Jasmine and the Little Mermaid were showing waay too much skin to suit them. Never heard of Meatwad but from the name, I'd say slice him, dice him and put him in a pita pocket.

Attached Link: http://www.snopes.com/disney/info/wd-ice.htm

"Despite the persistent rumors, available documentation indicates that Walt Disney was in fact cremated."

Attached Link: http://www.boingboing.net/2004/12/28/the_legend_of_lost_d.html

Thanks for the reference English Bob. I figured it was another urban myth. Strange how these things get started. The hint about the animators possibly being behind it brought to mind another vaguely remembered Disney story about the animators doing secret Disney porn.

"Despite the persistent rumors, available documentation indicates that Walt Disney was in fact cremated."

And then frozen ....

I'd rather see a sweet couchie spread than some one getting their brains spread and splattered across the wall! But if an image shows even the slightest detail of a beautiful ladies vulva, it's yanked and you may get banned or put on probation;'( Yet the very people who complain about nudity and get images pull, can post their man hater images where the woman splaters the guys brain across the wall, and have no fear of being yanked! Let's see a natural or even sexy pic, or a violent brain splatter? Hey I'll take and let my kid look at a nekid even spread babe anytime over the splatered pic, but hey that's just me! Nudity and sex are natural, we in this country of prudes just make it dirty. Funny why we have the tightest porn restrictions in the USA, and the highest sex and violence crimes vs countries where sex and nudity are no big deal. I'll take the dirtest porn film ever vs something like Kill Bill with arms being lopped off and blood spraying every where. Funny again violence gets maybe and R of PG13 rating in movies, a bare couter gets a X to XXX, something not right here! Agian maybe I'm just off anf the prudes are right.

Japan has ultrasex and ultraviolence in comics, movies, it's considered acceptable yet they have perhaps the lowest sex crime rate in the world. Different culture of course, their army made sex slaves of Korean women during the war among other things. Then again, we do have leash girl and her buddies from Abu Gahrib to look up to. Look at it this way, America was founded by folks who were such religious nuts they were run out of England :-)

Never thought of it that way, but you are right! Then again my people were here first, and we never had a problem with sex or nudity;') I'm of Mixed Cherokee decent, true american;') BTW loved your reply!

Attached Link: http://www2.hu-berlin.de/sexology/GESUND/ARCHIV/SEN/CH07.HTM#b3-CANON%20LAW%20AND%20SEX

I'm with you there brudda. My great grandfather was (supposedly) haly Native American, no idea what nation. Legend had it that the term "missionary position" is said to have originated from the European missionaries frowning on some of the more "exotic" coital practiced by native peoples though that has been disputed. The western church certainly has had a number of taboos going way back though burning witches and infidels has always been OK. Europeans seem to have gotten over much of this but here,the hangups remain. Excerpt from Canon Law and Sex: "Numerous sex offenses, however, rarely found their way into the courts, but rather were usually dealt with privately in the so-called internal forum of confession. This was understandably true of solitary offenses, such as masturbation, as well as private deviations from the prescriptions for marital conductengaging in intercourse unclothed, for example, or during daylight, at forbidden times, or in unconventional postures. Pastoral manuals and handbooks for confessors often dealt at such great length and in such detail with sexual sins that one could conclude these behaviors must have flourished among medieval people; they certainly fascinated the celibate clergymen who constituted the intended audience for these works. Confessors' manuals also routinely cautioned priests to inquire diligently into the sexual habits of the penitents who came to them, but at the same time warned the confessor to take care that his questioning not supply penitents with fresh ideas for disapproved sexual behavior that had not already occurred to them. The dividing line was exceedingly fine, and many a confessor must have found it difficult to be sure he had not crossed it."

Yeah hard to believe people ever thought that way but it's true! I have/had a friend who said masterbation was a major sin and would pray for forgiveness everytime he jacked off;') Now that I gave up the white mans false belief of Christianity and follow the Cherokee medicine way I just laugh at their rediculious beliefs. Why would God give us the natural sexual desire and drive to only make it a sin? Not the God I know, love and pray to;') The prudes have all but ruined renderosity, and are trying to ruin our country as well! They are so narrow minded, condeming and hipocritical that it's become a mess! I'm all for the total seperation of church and state, I don't the moral majoyity (Minority actually) deciding how I live. And if they have their way the only freedom of religion will be their way! According to them since I don't believe in Jesus I'm going to hell, good thing my religion doesn't have a hell;') Now to watch some porn, have hot taboo sex with my wife, and do some nude art;') HHHhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Wolfman

" The prudes have all but ruined renderosity, and are trying to ruin our country as well! " They ruin anything that touch, if we allow to do it! We have our rights and our voices, if we stay in silence they will continue destroying all, it is time to get out of the silence and defend our rights, their voices have not greater value than our voices. If we work together and don't allow this abuse, they only will be able to ruin themselves, then would be theirs and not ours problem.

I've tried here at Renderosity, but I get shot down or banned and my art yanked unfairly! In my personal life I protest with great resolve and conviction! If I had my way the Church would loose all say over issues that affect our nation! You don't have to be Christian to be moral, most of our founding fathers like Jefferson weren't! Our government is based off of the government system of the 5 civilized tribes, which my tribe was a part of. They keep their spirituality true and seperate from there govenment! We should do so like wise! I'm proud to be Pagan and Native American and don't need the prudes to tell me how to leed my life base on their false beliefs and hang ups! I wish I had the resources to start my own Art sight and forum or buy roenderosity, I would bring back expressive freedom and make this place what it use to be! Hell I barely down load one or two images a day anymore, where at one time I would download 20 to 30 at times! Same goes with my market place purchases, really down! You think they get a hint when the items that are big sellers are graphic with erotic content, and the images that are graphic with nudity get the most hits. Oh well off my soap box! Wolfman

There are amny people of good will (Christians and otherwise) who have moral objections to nudity, homosexuality etc. They are still tolerant and willing to make the compromises tha we must in order to live in a truly free society as long as things aren't forced on them. Unfortunately, there seems to be a growing number of people to whom compromise and tolerance are an anathems. For them, the mere existence of things they find immoral is intolerable, even if they don't have to see or partake of it. Sadly, IMO, many of them choose to call themselves Christians though they would be hard pressed to find anything in the teachings of Jesus Christ to support their views. You see the same rigidity in their rejection of science (eg. the earth is only a few thousand years old). Overall, sounds a lot like Islamic fundamentalism to me--same song, different verse. "if we stay in silence they will continue..." Sadly, I think that the ingrained notion in our society that sex is somehow "dirty" works against you. Take the typical situation where a small group protests to have the local topless establishment closed down. The majority may eiter not care one way or another or actually support the place but how many good citizens are going to want to bee seen actually standing up for it and against "morality"? Even if you think nude faeries are innocent enough, when they've been defined as "kiddy porn," you may think twice before publicly defending them. The problem is that the "other side" has defined the argument.

Amen, it's a loosing battle in our society I'm afraid! I teach tolerance, and believe in one's right to believe they way they choose. If your believe doesn't infringe on my rights and believes, then more power to you! If you find nudity, sex, homosexuality or whatever offensive, look away it's that simple! I only look at the images I want, and if I accidentally come across something offensive, I simply close the window and go on! I don't like some of the drug issues, or man hater or extremely graphic stuff they allow here even if it fits in the TOS. But I respect the rights of others to post and view, I just ignore them and go on! I don't care for male gay art being straight as they come, also I think children in any kind of sexual situation is wrong. But child nudity art isn't kiddy porn, even by law art cannot be claimed as child porn because it's not actual photos. Hell nudist sights by law can post nude genital view able photos as long as no sex is involved. Yet here nude child art is called kiddy porn! Remember all those old pictures of babies on bear skin rugs with their butts showing, I loved those and found those as cute as can be. Hell I was a peds nurse for 4 years and saw more necked kids then I ever care to remember. Nudity is natural, it the prudes that have turned it into something dirty. Primitive peoples still run around nude in the jungle, have sex with family members in the same room, and have no hang ups or crime! So who is right, them or us! Oh well enough is enough, great conversation my friend, and I wish I knew how to change things!

"Remember all those old pictures of babies on bear skin rugs with their butts showing"

I have one!, I was one year old or maybe less and all nude, not a bear skin but some feline skin!!!

"Take the typical situation where a small group protests to have the local topless establishment closed down. The majority may eiter not care one way or another or actually support the place but how many good citizens are going to want to bee seen actually standing up for it and against "morality"?"

This way don't work you are in disadvantage, you must use the same weapons against them.
You can call them ignorants that have not an idea what is writen in the Bible, just ask them some questions.
You can call them followers of the Devil because they only think in the Devil.
You can call them blasfemus and heretics because they don't respect the teachings of Jesus.
You can mention the Virgin Marry, wait for their furious answers and they accuse then of blasphemy again, that they never learned what is respect, that they haven't any kind of moral.
You can call them sexual perverted because they only think about sexual perversion and find sex in any place.
It is easy to shut their mouthes and it works!....

Message edited on: 02/05/2005 01:14