hey all, guess what problem slightly solved, heres a picture Notce the drop down list of parameters is present the the triangle button indicator is missing. its as if its the same color as the keyframe editor. Very strange. Kinda screwed up that I didnot happen to accurate place my mouse pointer with previous tries and then end up installing and uninstalling six times before I landed on the mark. But I still want my traingles back JanP