but Dodger is making the morphs from V3 & M3 convert to kmore and more figures so hey ..thats works itself out. I'm just annoying with the names.. couldnt they have used like Jessica and Jerome or something? What do we call them? just m3 wont work, thats taken psv3? psm3? ps3? M&M? The brats? PapaBlueMarlin trust me I wouldnt have bought them either if I wasnt working at Poserworld :P I dont like kids and I think the only one I've ever used in a render was dead (er ..long story) They do have the usual unimesh cutting and mapping and so are very good posing, most of the existing mil3 poses & textures work on them to various degrees of hysteria :) Lyrra