I've been using Lightwave for a while now, and know how to add bones and all that stuff. I got poser because making characters in lightwave was very hard for me. Thanks for that bit of info Nitreug (or Claude is it?), that should help a lot, but if using lightwave 6 gets better results I might use that instead. Or might just use both for different parts on what I'm working on. Depends on the detail I wont to go in. Thanks all for the help and useful tips. Greeg72