I've posted some of those when, when, when, threads over at DAZ but in reality I don't mind how long it takes them to get the final product right for release. As tjohn said we've been waiting soooooooo long, but I don't think it's too difficult to wait a little longer for a true next step for Bryce. My main concern is the lack of info about where they are at in the develpement and any kind of hint as to when all their tweeking will be done. Catlin