Hi Khai :) Not me, I'm just a peon like the rest of us. Totally yes, they can redeem them selfs. But no matter what other toys and whistles they put in, the lighting and material systems are so bad that we poser users will never ever be accepted into the larger CG world as serious. LOL, trust me, if they made it possible to create a render at least near as good as c4d or 3dsmax et el I'll be singing there praises far and wide. But alas, sense p4 every serious user has been crying for a better lighting system. And we've been ignored!! This isn't just a 'want', it is a 'necessity'. Everything from the current RR book to offsite jobs depends on it. Poser is on the cutting edge of greatness, all it takes is the right step :) and please, lol, just call me Geo, so much easier to type :P